[BusyBox] Layoff at Lineo...

[Erik Andersen]

As was briefly mentioned in the news yesterday, Lineo had a very large
layoff as a result of the economic downturn here in the U.S. As a result,
I am no longer an employee of Lineo, and Lineo is no longer sponsoring
busybox, tinylogin, or uClibc development. For the moment, these projects
will continue to be hosted on busybox.net as usual. If that ends
up changing, I will be sure to give everyone plenty of warning...

If you need me, you should use <***@codepoet.org> since email to
***@lineo.com isn't going to work very well. I will be updating
the documentation and website to reflect this change.

If anybody knows of a good job for a Linux/uClinux/embedded hacker
I am interested in hearing about it...

-Erik

--
Erik B. Andersen email: ***@debian.org
--This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

[Glenn McGrath]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:57:46 -0600

Post by Erik Andersen
As was briefly mentioned in the news yesterday, Lineo had a very large
layoff as a result of the economic downturn here in the U.S. As a result,
I am no longer an employee of Lineo, and Lineo is no longer sponsoring
busybox, tinylogin, or uClibc development. For the moment, these projects
will continue to be hosted on busybox.net as usual. If that

ends

Post by Erik Andersen
up changing, I will be sure to give everyone plenty of warning...

I did read about that, but i though you and busybox would be pretty safe.
It surprises me that lineo doesnt see busybox (and uclibc) to be worth
suporting, i think they should be proud of how far its come since they
took you and the projects onboard... i guess they must be very savage
cuts.

Sourceforge could be a good host for the project ?

I was wondering prior to this if anyone has backups of the the CVS
archive, it has a pretty long history, it would be bad to loose it if
something unexpected did happen.

Post by Erik Andersen
If anybody knows of a good job for a Linux/uClinux/embedded hacker
I am interested in hearing about it...

If you have your financial commitments under control being unemployed can
be quite fullfilling :)
I guess thats a big IF for most people though.


Glenn

[Erik Andersen]

Post by Glenn McGrath
I did read about that, but i though you and busybox would be pretty safe.
It surprises me that lineo doesnt see busybox (and uclibc) to be worth
suporting, i think they should be proud of how far its come since they
took you and the projects onboard... i guess they must be very savage
cuts.
Sourceforge could be a good host for the project ?

I've certainly considered it, though I do have some doubts
about how long VA will be able to keep that going... If we
go to the pain of moving, I'd like it to be only once.

Post by Glenn McGrath
I was wondering prior to this if anyone has backups of the the CVS
archive, it has a pretty long history, it would be bad to loose it if
something unexpected did happen.

I made a backup yesterday, just in case...

Post by Glenn McGrath

Post by Erik Andersen
If anybody knows of a good job for a Linux/uClinux/embedded hacker
I am interested in hearing about it...

If you have your financial commitments under control being unemployed can
be quite fullfilling :)

:-)

I'm planning on spending a bit of time enjoying having time
off and no boss telling me what to do. As you've probably
noticed, I havn't been given much time for busybox
recently...

Post by Glenn McGrath
I guess thats a big IF for most people though.

I'm in pretty good shape. I can probably go 6 months or so
without needing to work (at the cost of eating up my savings
and annoying my wife ;). I also have some consulting work
I've been doing on the side that (when finished) will let me
go several more months if I need to.

-Erik

--
Erik B. Andersen email: ***@debian.org
--This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

[Glenn McGrath]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:02:07 -0600

Post by Erik Andersen

Post by Glenn McGrath
I did read about that, but i though you and busybox would be pretty safe.
It surprises me that lineo doesnt see busybox (and uclibc) to be worth
suporting, i think they should be proud of how far its come since they
took you and the projects onboard... i guess they must be very savage
cuts.
Sourceforge could be a good host for the project ?

I've certainly considered it, though I do have some doubts
about how long VA will be able to keep that going... If we
go to the pain of moving, I'd like it to be only once.

Yea, the community is very dependent on sourceforge, it would shake things
up a fair bit if everyone had to move.

cvs.debian.org is always there, but i guess thats going to be a problem
for non debian commiters,

There is http://savannah.gnu.org/ which looks like its using sourceforge
software, not sure if they have to be official GNU projects though ?


Glenn

[Aaron Lehmann]

Post by Glenn McGrath
There is http://savannah.gnu.org/ which looks like its using sourceforge
software, not sure if they have to be official GNU projects though ?

http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=123

[David Kimdon]

Post by Glenn McGrath
cvs.debian.org is always there, but i guess thats going to be a problem
for non debian commiters,

I don't see the problem. I had cvs-write access to cvs.debian.org before
becoming a Debian developer. I think cvs.debian.org would be a fine place.
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

-David

[David Douthitt]

Post by David Kimdon
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

Never say never. Recently SuSe had to be bailed out of near-bankruptcy,
and VA made drastic cuts that appeared to threaten SourceForge, and now
Lineo went through not one but two serious cutbacks. What (or who) is
next?

How do these goings-on reflect about affairs at Caldera, who just
acquired SCO?

[Glenn McGrath]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:15:41 -0400

Post by David Douthitt

Post by David Kimdon
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

Never say never. Recently SuSe had to be bailed out of near-bankruptcy,
and VA made drastic cuts that appeared to threaten SourceForge, and now
Lineo went through not one but two serious cutbacks. What (or who) is
next?
How do these goings-on reflect about affairs at Caldera, who just
acquired SCO?

Debian is a project, so it cant go bankrupt.
Membership has grown dramatically over the last 2 years, aproaching 1000
developers now, so people are happy to work on it.


Glenn

[Glenn McGrath]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:15:41 -0400

Post by David Douthitt

Post by David Kimdon
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

Never say never. Recently SuSe had to be bailed out of near-bankruptcy,
and VA made drastic cuts that appeared to threaten SourceForge, and now
Lineo went through not one but two serious cutbacks. What (or who) is
next?
How do these goings-on reflect about affairs at Caldera, who just
acquired SCO?

Debian is a project, so it cant go bankrupt.
Membership has grown dramatically over the last 2 years, aproaching 1000
developers now, so people are happy to work on it.


Glenn

[David Douthitt]

Post by David Kimdon
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

Never say never. Recently SuSe had to be bailed out of near-bankruptcy,
and VA made drastic cuts that appeared to threaten SourceForge, and now
Lineo went through not one but two serious cutbacks. What (or who) is
next?

How do these goings-on reflect about affairs at Caldera, who just
acquired SCO?

[Aaron Lehmann]

Post by Glenn McGrath
There is http://savannah.gnu.org/ which looks like its using sourceforge
software, not sure if they have to be official GNU projects though ?

http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=123

[David Kimdon]

Post by Glenn McGrath
cvs.debian.org is always there, but i guess thats going to be a problem
for non debian commiters,

I don't see the problem. I had cvs-write access to cvs.debian.org before
becoming a Debian developer. I think cvs.debian.org would be a fine place.
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

-David

[Glenn McGrath]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:02:07 -0600

Post by Erik Andersen

Post by Glenn McGrath
I did read about that, but i though you and busybox would be pretty safe.
It surprises me that lineo doesnt see busybox (and uclibc) to be worth
suporting, i think they should be proud of how far its come since they
took you and the projects onboard... i guess they must be very savage
cuts.
Sourceforge could be a good host for the project ?

I've certainly considered it, though I do have some doubts
about how long VA will be able to keep that going... If we
go to the pain of moving, I'd like it to be only once.

Yea, the community is very dependent on sourceforge, it would shake things
up a fair bit if everyone had to move.

cvs.debian.org is always there, but i guess thats going to be a problem
for non debian commiters,

There is http://savannah.gnu.org/ which looks like its using sourceforge
software, not sure if they have to be official GNU projects though ?


Glenn

[Erik Andersen]

Post by Glenn McGrath
I did read about that, but i though you and busybox would be pretty safe.
It surprises me that lineo doesnt see busybox (and uclibc) to be worth
suporting, i think they should be proud of how far its come since they
took you and the projects onboard... i guess they must be very savage
cuts.
Sourceforge could be a good host for the project ?

I've certainly considered it, though I do have some doubts
about how long VA will be able to keep that going... If we
go to the pain of moving, I'd like it to be only once.

Post by Glenn McGrath
I was wondering prior to this if anyone has backups of the the CVS
archive, it has a pretty long history, it would be bad to loose it if
something unexpected did happen.

I made a backup yesterday, just in case...

Post by Glenn McGrath

Post by Erik Andersen
If anybody knows of a good job for a Linux/uClinux/embedded hacker
I am interested in hearing about it...

If you have your financial commitments under control being unemployed can
be quite fullfilling :)

:-)

I'm planning on spending a bit of time enjoying having time
off and no boss telling me what to do. As you've probably
noticed, I havn't been given much time for busybox
recently...

Post by Glenn McGrath
I guess thats a big IF for most people though.

I'm in pretty good shape. I can probably go 6 months or so
without needing to work (at the cost of eating up my savings
and annoying my wife ;). I also have some consulting work
I've been doing on the side that (when finished) will let me
go several more months if I need to.

-Erik

--
Erik B. Andersen email: andersee at debian.org
--This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

[Richard June]

If for any reason it does change, I would be happy to provide
web-space/etc for busybox, tinylogin, and uClibc. I've not been active on
the list for a while(too busy w/ new distribution to do much w/ bb et.
all), but I've been keeping tabs on what's going on.

[Aaron Lehmann]

Do you know if Manuel is still there and whether he will continue
working on BusyBox?

[Manuel Novoa III]

Aaron,

Post by Aaron Lehmann
Do you know if Manuel is still there and whether he will continue
working on BusyBox?

I don't have any connection to Lineo. I work on uClibc and busybox
purely as a hobby. I just haven't had any time to devote to them
lately.

Manuel

[Aaron Lehmann]

Post by Manuel Novoa III
I don't have any connection to Lineo.

Okay, sorry. Your email address mislead me.

[Aaron Lehmann]

Post by Manuel Novoa III
I don't have any connection to Lineo.

Okay, sorry. Your email address mislead me.

[Manuel Novoa III]

Aaron,

Post by Aaron Lehmann
Do you know if Manuel is still there and whether he will continue
working on BusyBox?

I don't have any connection to Lineo. I work on uClibc and busybox
purely as a hobby. I just haven't had any time to devote to them
lately.

Manuel

[Adam Heath]

Post by David Douthitt

Post by David Kimdon
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

Never say never. Recently SuSe had to be bailed out of near-bankruptcy,
and VA made drastic cuts that appeared to threaten SourceForge, and now
Lineo went through not one but two serious cutbacks. What (or who) is
next?

Debian is neither connected to money, or a single entity. We have moved most
services around, so that only one provider/hoster is doing one major
service(brainfood is an exception, we host lists.d.o and bugs.d.o).

At several times in our(debian's) past we have had to move major services
between providers, even so far as going across country/continent lines. I
don't think debian will disappear 'in an instant.'

[Erik Andersen]

As was briefly mentioned in the news yesterday, Lineo had a very large
layoff as a result of the economic downturn here in the U.S. As a result,
I am no longer an employee of Lineo, and Lineo is no longer sponsoring
busybox, tinylogin, or uClibc development. For the moment, these projects
will continue to be hosted on busybox.net as usual. If that ends
up changing, I will be sure to give everyone plenty of warning...

If you need me, you should use <andersen at codepoet.org> since email to
andersen at lineo.com isn't going to work very well. I will be updating
the documentation and website to reflect this change.

If anybody knows of a good job for a Linux/uClinux/embedded hacker
I am interested in hearing about it...

-Erik

--
Erik B. Andersen email: andersee at debian.org
--This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

[Glenn McGrath]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:57:46 -0600

Post by Erik Andersen
As was briefly mentioned in the news yesterday, Lineo had a very large
layoff as a result of the economic downturn here in the U.S. As a result,
I am no longer an employee of Lineo, and Lineo is no longer sponsoring
busybox, tinylogin, or uClibc development. For the moment, these projects
will continue to be hosted on busybox.net as usual. If that

ends

Post by Erik Andersen
up changing, I will be sure to give everyone plenty of warning...

I did read about that, but i though you and busybox would be pretty safe.
It surprises me that lineo doesnt see busybox (and uclibc) to be worth
suporting, i think they should be proud of how far its come since they
took you and the projects onboard... i guess they must be very savage
cuts.

Sourceforge could be a good host for the project ?

I was wondering prior to this if anyone has backups of the the CVS
archive, it has a pretty long history, it would be bad to loose it if
something unexpected did happen.

Post by Erik Andersen
If anybody knows of a good job for a Linux/uClinux/embedded hacker
I am interested in hearing about it...

If you have your financial commitments under control being unemployed can
be quite fullfilling :)
I guess thats a big IF for most people though.


Glenn

[Richard June]

If for any reason it does change, I would be happy to provide
web-space/etc for busybox, tinylogin, and uClibc. I've not been active on
the list for a while(too busy w/ new distribution to do much w/ bb et.
all), but I've been keeping tabs on what's going on.

[Aaron Lehmann]

Do you know if Manuel is still there and whether he will continue
working on BusyBox?

[Adam Heath]

Post by David Douthitt

Post by David Kimdon
I doubt busybox/uclibc/tinylogin would need to move again, the only thing
that would cause that would be Debian disappearing; Debian has a fairly
long history hostory already and it will exist as long as there are people
happy to work on it.

Never say never. Recently SuSe had to be bailed out of near-bankruptcy,
and VA made drastic cuts that appeared to threaten SourceForge, and now
Lineo went through not one but two serious cutbacks. What (or who) is
next?

Debian is neither connected to money, or a single entity. We have moved most
services around, so that only one provider/hoster is doing one major
service(brainfood is an exception, we host lists.d.o and bugs.d.o).

At several times in our(debian's) past we have had to move major services
between providers, even so far as going across country/continent lines. I
don't think debian will disappear 'in an instant.'